Bestiality, Incest, and Criminalization
Two contrasting articles crossed the PervScan news desk this past weekend. First, Furpo sent an article discussing a proposal in Romania to decriminalize incest between consenting adults. Before you jump to the conclusion that Romania is a land of inbred deviants, you might want to bear in mind that Romania is simply trying to bring its legal code in line with other members of the European Union. France, Spain, and Portugal do not criminalize adult incest either. “Not everything that is immoral has to be illegal,” a legal expert for the government said to the news, making a distinction more reasonable than you usually find from anyone involved with the legislation of sexual behavior.
In contrast, Angela St Lawrence sent an article about the effort here in the United States to criminalize bestiality. (Incest between consenting adults, incidentally, is illegal in every state in the union.) Proposed laws in Florida and Alaska are inspired by an incident that occurred in “Seward’s Icebox“:
[A man] was spotted by a local woman coaxing the Labrador retriever into the woods near a ball field. There he allegedly tied it to a tree, taped its muzzle shut with duct tape and had sex with it, witnesses told police at the time. The man had been twice convicted of raping a young boy and more recently had served probation for assault after lunging at a child. While the incident with the dog was reported to the police, Klawock Mayor Don Marvin said nothing happened for two days while fearful parents escorted their children home from school…. In requesting a $10,000 bail, Scott told the court that the state was concerned that if a small child had been available and unattended that day, ‘the small child would have been found taped (and) tied in the woods.’ Shocked by that and other similar cases of involving humans having sex with animals, lawmakers in Florida and Alaska are considering bans on bestiality. They are among 15 states where the practice is not explicitly illegal.
There are some obvious points to be made about these proposed laws. First, it’s wrong to presume that every bestialist might have preferred to attack a human or a child instead. Second, these laws (like others against necrophilia) must doubtless be a response to the fact that, thanks to the internet, perversions have come out of the closet to a degree unimaginable a generation ago. Third, laws against bestiality coincide with the increasing public interest in animal rights. Fourth, at odds with the animal rights trend is the fact that the same folks who would ban bestiality are generally happy to eat meat, which leaves you wondering why it’s ok to exploit an animal for gustatory but not sexual pleasure.
Fifth, the most ironic thing about all this is a point made by the controversial Princeton philosopher Peter Singer. A few years ago, Professor Singer reviewed Midas Dekkers’ book Dearest Pet: On Bestiality. In the course of that review, which you can read online, he made the point that bestiality is not “normal” or even “natural.” What’s more, he objects to animal cruelty. That being said, Professor Singer notes that because “we are animals, indeed more specifically, we are great apes,” bestiality cannot be “an offence to our status and dignity as human beings.” In other words, bestiality presumes a dichotomy between us and them, humans and animals, when it may well be a matter of animals having sex with other animals.
In that light, perhaps these anti-bestiality laws are the deviant expression of another trend in America — the alarming extent to which people repudiate Darwin’s theory of evolution. If you can’t believe that man descended from animal, you probably won’t accept the prospect of man fucking animal either.
Ok, am I the only person who chuckled when I read…
“…for assault after lunging at a child.”
Lunging at a child, what does that even mean?
As stupid as it sounds, never forget that the cultural prohibition against bestiality goes back to the Greek idea that it could lead to hybrids, ala centaurs, the Minotaur and all sorts of other legendary products of God-animal or human-animal intercourse. I’m never sure, considering the source, that they don’t still worry about that. Also, as a primatologist, I can tell you that most people in this line of knowledge are certain that someone somewhere, China, Africa, Russia, somewhere, has tried human-chimp interbreeding. There is NO proof that it worked, but as easy as it would be, you can be certain that somebody has tried it.
Most civilized people would bemoan an animal’s lack of ability to give informed consent. That doesn’t make a lot of sense to me either.
In the end, I just see bestiality as proof that a lonely human male will stick his penis in anything if he gets horney and/or bored enough.
The incest prohibition is still based on the idea that offspring will almost certainly have problems related to inbreeding. Robert Heinlein to the contrary, incest will magnify underlying genetic conditions and increase the chance of children bearing two copies of the problem genetic material. Without reproduction, and in the absence of coercion and/or manipulation, the laws make no sense.
I sometimes feel that the real answer is to punish the parents of defective offspring, ala sociopaths or Baptists, and not to worry as long as no children result.
Nicely put, Recluse. Thanks.
Incest is technically legal in Maine as long as both people are of the same sex.
Also it isn’t immoral, it just produces freaky webbed retard babies.
According to wikipedia:
Rhode Island repealed its criminal incest statute in 1989[16], Ohio only targets parental figures[16], and New Jersey does not apply any penalties when both parties are over the age of 18.”
So it’s not entirely illegal in the states. Then again in Massachusetts you get 20 years.
Oh, and the chance of birth defects from incest is only slightly higher than normal — you’re more likely to get a birth defect from drinking alcohol while pregnant than from having sex with a sibling (and drinking while pregnant doesn’t get you locked up for 20 years).
Despite moral complaints, incest isn’t so bad if it’s protected, and it doesn’t involve pre-pubescents (including adolescents), or people who didn’t/can’t give consent (mentally ill adults/elderly).
Erotic zoophilia is ok, because no rape/harm was involved, unlike with bestiality and zoosadism.
Recluse, yes, the fear often routed in culture for this reason, and more besides, as a different image of anti-zoosexuality; for as long as it was suppressed, they didn’t really care what the future generations chose to have a negative side on zoophile; for as long as it had started.
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Nice story. My Mom was single and I was introduced by my 42 yr old mother when I was 17 to watching her hook her nylons to her garter belt. It was an awesome experience. When I turned 18 it was a natural attraction that led to very nice sex. I learned so much. We had lovely uninhibited anytime sex and love for over twenty years. I have no idea why I married my high school girlfriend who drove me batty when Mom and I were so tight. Mom passed with cancer and I think of her every day. I’m 72 now..
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