Normally, I’d agree with the philosophy of not judging people, but incest such as this is a threat to health and public safety. Offspring of incest relationships are often mentally ill, messed up and dangerous, a perfect example would be Nero in Roman times.

You are absolutely correct that both should have been charged with the crime though!

The offspring of siblings has no more chance of genetic defect than the offspring of a woman over 30 with someone not related to her. I don’t know how that compares to a mother and son. Not to mention that sex doesn’t have to result in birth. As far as “threat to… public safety” and “dangerous,” that’s just bullocks.

Just to be picky: offspring of incestual relationships have a greatly increased chance of genetic defect which depends on the genetic problems already present in the family. he child is inheriting genes from two people who are genetically extremely similar, so the chance of a genetic defect occuring is greatet than a child with unrelated parents, where the genetic variety helps to mask problems. Examples of this can be seen in China right now. Due to the one-child-per-family policy, many people chose to abort female fetuses because they feel males have a better chance for sucess in their society, which is leading to a serious drop in the female population. In desperation, some people who cannot find wives for their sons are forcing their children to marry their female cousins, and this is resulting in a huge increase in all kinds of birth defects in China. I imagine the problem would be even worse with a mother and a son, since the half of the son’s genetic material comes from the mother and the genetic variety would be even less. Although, half of the son’s genetic material also comes from someone unrelated, so maybe that balances out. Hard to say.

This is completely different from the circumstances around women over 30, whose chance of having offspring with genetic defects is caused by the aging eggs in her body which may be damaged by accumulating radiation, toxins, etc. I have no idea about the statistics. They may be similar numbers, but somehow I have to doubt that because the causes are so different.

Just being picky….

Just in the defense of being “fair and balanced,” there are a good number of recent studies that conclude that children of incest do not run a significantly greater risk of genetic maladies.

http://fire.biol.wwu.edu/trent/trent/firstcousins.pdf (PDF)

http://www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/04/columns/fl.grossman.incest.04.09/

http://www.coej.org/Medical/marrying_cousins_not_risky.htm

Granted, these findings are contrary to what the person with only a rudimentary grasp of human genetics would expect.

Just being thorough…

You know what, I don’t care what these two did together sexually. The sexual activities of consenting adults is outside the control of legitimate government. Any government that attempts to exert control over such a deeply personal matter is, to that degree, illegitimate.

This woman’s local paper is running a poll on what punishment she should get with 54 per cent saying she should get prison.

It is ridiculous that is even a criminal case. First, the mother had already gone through menopause, which means it is impossible for her to get pregnant, so everyone’s arguments that kids would be messed up are completely irrelevant. Secondly, she does not have a husband, nor does he have a girlfriend, so there isn’t even any cheating involved. Thirdly, these are two consenting adults, and they obviously love each other very much. Will someone please explain to me how this is even bad? What is the big deal about a mother and son having full consensual sex if she can’t get pregnant and they are both single?

Two adults, having consensual sex. Why is this our business?

I think its distgusting of course mother and son should not have sex if u think its ok oh I know they might as well get married (not)

if the mother and son have sex then when her son gets a girlfriend the mother will get jeoulouse then the mother and son will probably end up shagging if him and the girlfriend break up.

I bet there are so many mothers out their fucking there sons getting away with it, its not right and I think the mothers out there doing should be put in a mental home.

I,personally, think that consentual sex is the responsability,moral,or otherwise, of the participating perpetrators. Eventhough,incest,between mother and sons is very rare(father-daughter,brother-sisters,cousins is more common)there must be happening everywhere,perhaps is not so consentual,but it’s happening. I sure would like to hear from consenting moms and sons to see if i’m wrong!
But, the main point of the matter is that incest is been comdemned by all societies since creation.
It is immoral,and sinful. the Bible never approved of any incest cases:Lot and his daughters,Noah and daughters,etc. Incest was,is,and will be taboo. is as simple as that.
I would like to hear from mediacal experts researcherson this topic,to relate real medical reports about incest.

New topic:

I have always been curious about some reports about incest,wheather is true or not that in some
cases of incest:daughters take the initiative of seducing their fathers,brothers,or cousins,or even mothers who seduce their sons to have sex. Not just teasing or touching,but actual intercourse? It would be interesting to hear from anonymous volunteers who relate their techniques,or ways of accomplishing such sexual urges. Preferably,I would like to hear from the moms or daughters themselves.

To the one who posted about Noah and his daughters…

If Noah and his family were the only ones to board the Ark, which, according to the Bible, they were, then for the human race to have survived, Noah’s grandchildren would’ve had to intermarry. Furthermore, if Adam and Eve were the first man and woman, then all are their offspring, thus, Cain’s wife was also his sister, the daughter of Adam and Eve.

For those who believe in Evolutionism, however, I’ve another theory for you that lends to incest occurances. Suppose that, If the theory of Evolution is to be believed, a male primate mated with his “father’s” mate. Within the both the “mother” and the “son” lay the dormant gene for baldness in certain spots on the body, or perhaps a less developed “hand” where the human foot is. It could then be supposed that it was the incestual relationship between this primate and his mother that led, in part, to the human race.

Thus, in either theoretical situation, the human race would not exsist as it does today without incest.

What they did may have been foolish and unwise, but why on earth is the money of taxpayers being wasted dragging them into court over it? Just because something is wrong doesn’t mean someone should be prosecuted for it. Cheating on one’s spouse is on par with this in terms of wrongness, yet when was the last time someone was brought up on criminal charges for it, even though there are criminal statutes against it in most areas?

If anyone should be punished it is the relative who reported them to the police in the first place.

Honestly, they’re two consenting adults; we shouldn’t even be discussing their sexual affairs. I don’t see why we’re dragging her into court for something that doesn’t concern us. I wouldn’t want my relationship to be thrown into the spotlight, and I’m sure these two didn’t either.

i think as long as it’s about two consenting adults and nobody gets hurt (physically and emotionally) as a result of their action, incest shouldn’t be punished. it’s their problem what they do in their own house. as long as they don’t get married (which is ridiculous) and have children (which is immoral) there’s no logical reason for making incest a crime. why drag it into the spotlight and make a media circus out of it? why not focus on and try to stop real crimes and real perversions?

He must have been really drunk and really horny to have sex with his own mother. That’s how I was the first time I had sex with mine. I had just broken up with my girlfriend and gone on a bender. I couldn’t have shagged her sober! It’s was tough to overcome that aversion to incest that society had placed on me for my whole life. Now I don’t have a problem with it. It’s just getting over that initial weirdness the first time you have sex. After that it’s just like sex with any other woman. She’s female, with tits and a pussy. This one just happened to give birth to you. I’m surprised that more people have not arrived at this obvious conclusion and are still so grossed out by incest. Just use birth control. it’s not for everyone, but I sure love it!

I don’t see the problem really. My son is 26 and has never left home.There is only two of us, and I don’t remember how it started but we enjoy good sex life with each other as consenting adults. There is no chance of me being pregnant now but we never seen anything wrong with it.

would love to personally chat with any mothers who have had or are in sexual relationships with their sons.
i have had an on of relationship with my mother and siter and would love to talk with you.

Well I do too also believe that what happens between two consenting aldults is thier own business and nobody elses. I am sure that the majority of men on this earth have had sexual fastasies of thier mother, sisters or aunts in them, and some of the lucky ones have actually have had sex with them. And I’m sure there are equally as many mothers have had fantasies about thier sons, they just don’t admit it. In our sexualy open world where gays are getting married publicly, laws are written in some countries about having sex with animals, what you can do and can’t do with the animal, I think our laws should lighten up about who we have sex with. If both parties are consenting, then everyone should just mind thier own business. Maybe the person that reported them was jealous they never got any!

If i remember correctly when the black plague swept across England, near on 3 quaters of yhe population was wiped out.. there was a tolerance through law that incest was excepted. and thats no shit. There was a need to build the population up. Look around with an open mind,and try and understand the fundamentals of the dumbarse human

Sex between mother and son is more natural than homosexuality. If pregnancy can be avoided it has no harm.Infact each son desires her mother in bed in his fantasies.Those who are bold may actually go and have sex with consenting mothers.

I see lots of arguments here against consensual adult incest, many of which are absolutely valid and very compelling. The problem is, none of these arguments demonstrate any reason why consensual adult incest should be considered a CRIME. The argument that comes closest to doing this is the one against inbreeding But, as has been pointed out repeatedly, sex does not always lead to conception, and in fact there is a multi-billion dollar industry devoted entirely to making sure it does not lead to conception. I would argue that having children through incest should be punishable as a crime, but not the sex that led to conception.

The other arguments, such as it causing role conflict in the family, are certainly good reasons not to do it, but they aren’t good reasons to punish those who do as criminals.

At the end of the day consensual incest directly affects the people who are enjoying it and no one else. Whether their choice is a wise one or not is of course important, but not a valid basis for criminalizing something. People do other things that are just as foolish if not more so all the time, yet they aren’t being hauled off to jail. People drop out of school, screw up on the job and get fired, spend money foolishly and wind up buried in debt, cheat on their lover or spouse, and the list goes on and on. Incest, when consensual and between adults, is not a crime. At worst it is a case of bad judgement. Is it gruesome? Yes. Is it something that most people would ever want to do? No. Does this mean it is a crime? Given that a crime exists when someone causes harm to another person, then I can’t say that it is one no matter how unpopular it may be as a pastime.

okay…incest=sick messed up fuckers who can’t get any from anybody else!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think this is alright, mom and son should have sex or what ever they like( i mean if the boy is 18 and over)

I look forword to see more people to come out and tell the truth like the one we just read about it.

i love to hear stories like this

…And people were bitching when I had a slight attraction to a 2nd cousin. What two people do (related or not) in bed is their business.

That is disgusting!! that would be something so terrible to get ovewr… do you know hopw much regret you would feel??? and i thot that was only suppose to happen in Arkansas??? thats just me!! incest is worng and gross!!!

i just find it interesting that the people who have the strongest objections have the least command of the english language. anyway, i think that if the guys had female cousins like mine the they would become hypocrites so fast they would get whip lash. i am blond and blue eyed. i have one cousin who looks like liv tyler, one that looks like shakira, one that is a tan petite amazon type, a young one that looks like zenon, and now a black one whose mother looks like she belongs in smooth mag. they are all incredibly intelligent, fun to talk to, and they seem to all have a crush on me. and your telling me i’m supposed to mate with some genetically defective, small brained 5th cousin to prez gwb.
no wonder i mostly end up masturbating in this country while online. i just realized I can’t think of anyone in this country worth having sex with. i keep thinking my standards are too high. maybe my location is just wrong. there is 9 million people in sweden. I have 40 known legitimate 1st cousins. chances are you are my second cousin. in sweden brothers and sisters have been known to marry accidentally and give birth to volvos and maxim models. ha. i should problably move to africa or south america. i would problably end up with someone related to me anyway.

You are disgusting, and I didnt know you had to “type” proper english to have a debate!! its not that big of a deal. anyway more on the subject. If you want to go have sex with your mother or close cousins then seriously, you have mental problems that only a therapist or Pshycotrist can help. and im not saying that to be mean. theres something in your mind that isnt right. either you were malested or raped by a close relativw when you were younger and thats why, or some other childhood problem. just please see help. and i know it would probably be emmbarrasing, but wouldnt you like to help your self???

i have a cousin named bianca somewhere. you could be her. wana get hitched? we could move to colorado city become mormon extremists and have lots of babbies. so how’d you end up on this site anway? i personaly just google every sex term i can think of. the prostate from dad’s fam. 400 yrs in cont. americas and the ibs from mom’s fam. 1000+ yrs sweden and my over all high i.q. cause me to be horny all the time (pisses me off sometimes). of course you know there is a difference between feelings and actions. or are you even younger than i surmise.incest between sexualy active individuals is not that uncommon. a guy in my platoon received a naked foto from his mum. there are only so many small town white folk. those who actualy have it in their family don’t usualy admit it. and things you see on the internet aren’t always what they first appear.

***anyone who would actualy try to engage in sexual activities with someone who hasn’reached the age of sexual activity should be seperated from the general community. and recieve serious therapy.

i find it interesting that you commented on my comment.

Any one who wants to kill my fellow soldier and his mother is going to have to wait inline with the rest of the religious extremists and strap a big ass bomb on themselves and come through me first because we are some bad ass mother f.ng S.O.B.’S. What makes the green grass grow?!!! BRIGHT RED BLOOD, DRILL SEARGENT!!!

I stumbled upon this site because im doing a research paper. im sure you were trying to find something to masterbate to, but instead decided to preach your disguisting beleifs to people who could care less if you had hot suburban sex with your mother! which by the way your going to hell for! and i have to say i couldnt understand half the things you were saying, i kindof think u were trying to use big words but didnt use them correctly. your just making yourself look bad!! and i would have to say your doing a great job at it! thats all i have to say for now! have fun with your 300 hours of therapy, because if u didnt know incest is illegal!!

My son and I have been in a sexual relationship for almost 10 years. We started when he turned 18, I have been pregnant as a result of sex with my son twice in that 10 years, and I’m happy to say we have two beautiful healthy daughters (Emily 9 and Sara 5). Anyone that says incest is wrong or evil just needs to look at our beautiful daughters and you will change your mind, our girls have been brought up in a loving healthy environment. My son and I love each other very much and we continue to have a healthy and active sex life.

I think that incest stories are the hottest thing in the world! I’ve always wanted to fuck my sister or my mom, and actually had my first wet dream at age 30 while dreaming about trying to fuck my mom.

Thats sick..both of you..what country are yall from..yall need seriosu help…that is the grosses thing ive ever heard… and srry michelle..but you have problems..apparently you were abused as a child….. and think about what problems your grandkids/kids are gonna have..yeah thought about that one didnt you… please get help!! thanks -Bianca-

No Bianca I was never abused as a child, I grew up in a very nice home in the better part of the city. I own two real estate business’, one I built from the ground up and one I inherited from my parents. I guess you could “pidgeon hole” me in the white upper class category. I live in Sydney, Australia. My girls only ever refer to their father as “daddy” and that is they way it will stay. Emily has earned a music scholarship at 9 y.o and Sara is going to school a year above her aged peers, so you’re quite wrong in your assesment.

Ok..I honesltyu dont care if your upper middle clkass… I really dont… but if you think that incest is ok… then there is something worng with you.. you should be ashamed of yourself.. that child came out of your womb..you nursed him and you watched him grow up….as a little boy!!.. and your going to set here and say.. “oh I love me son and we are sexuallyt active!” and then tell me theres nothing wrong with you!..there is….Im from The United States..by the way..Arkansas as a matter of fact!! and alot of people say incest happens here… but it doesnt… and you give Australia a great name…oh and another thing.. so when your husband/son.. is puttig your grandkids/kis to sleep.. what do they call him? dad??…. i wonder if thats going to be confusing to them in the future???… “oh yeah suzy thats my brother.. and my dad…” congrats you just ruined your life “michelle” -Bianca-

Even if your “children” or grandchildren are not “retarded” they will or do have a host of genetic disesases that are caused by too much of the same genes. The reason why we all exist today is because of the diversity of evolution. If there was no diversity in genes, we would become extinct. The effect of incest has world wide ramifications when your children enter the gene pole. Their genes will cause extreme diseases that will require alot of medical attention, regardless of if it is now or in the future. This is not even mentioning the social and emotional toll this behavior haves on those i.e. your children who will have to deal with this from their own family who participated in this sort of activity. Animals don’t even do this. For example when a male lion comes of age, nature tells him to move to another group. As do the instincts of most people do and tells them to avoid sex with their relatives. This is a psychological evolutionary mechanism so that we will be able to continue on in the future. This is why most people don’t practice incest unless there is something mentally wrong with them.

the mother son thing………that is really gross and wierd and to add on they can do it if they want to…if they r not complaining then y intervene?…..answer that….maybe they did it on purpose….think bout it…..o ya…who ever did that is really messed up

ok doing your son is discusting how ever way you put it just watch the move spanking the monkey.

This is not a good thing, if you put it on its head and a father is sleeping with his daughter then there is mass outrage. I belive other than answering questions about sex, a mother should play NO role in the sexual experiences of their kids.

Also to the guys who are having sex with their moms, are your fathers gone? Are you simply his replacement?

i think 2 consenting adults with mom and son are fine.a mom can be a good teacher to the son.a mom can be patient with things like premature ejulation and clumsiness that a son may get with a girfriend. a son can totally relax sexually with the mom better then anyone.a mom can teach her son how to please a lady so when he does get married he will be ready

if both mom and son are adults and they live alone it could be very special.chances are a mom and son are going to love eachother more ten a boyfriend girlfriend. they can be totally relaxed and not worry about any hangups.when a son loves his mom the hugging and kissing will be very passionate and tender. a son will care about sexually pleasing his mom more then he would a girlfriend. a mom would be very much more willing to do different sexual things then she would a boyfriend

I completly support u Michelle and please contact me for more feedback

To be honest, I just Love it. I have a relationship with my mom and we just love it. so I really love to someone who had sex with his mom. Plz Plz Let me Know: Here is My E-mail:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest

While I must admit to never have had incestuous sexual relationship, I personally know many who do. Certainly, I don’t think one can justify it on a moral or legal basis, but it is very much a lifestyle in many households, and from personal observation, one which is very intense and pleasurable. I have only been permitted to observe and not participate on most occassions, but the experience totally drained me in more ways than one. If one were to meet these people out socially, one would have no idea of what went on beyond closed doors. To each their own I say.

The story was not about an incest, rather about a safe sex. In my opinion the intercourse between mother and son shouldn’t be criticized. Even more, if safe, it should be even agitated by scientists in highest possible terms. I support Delina and Michelle. I am happy for Michelle’s daughters. Indeed, the relationship between two consenting adults is their own business!

In this respect, I would like to know Michelle’s
opinion on hypothetical sex between one of her daughters and the daughter’s son.

Delina & Michelle seem very happy in their relationships. I’m not saying that every mother and son should be “married” or even have sex at all, but we shouldn’t criticize those who do – it is their choice. Michelle’s daughters are lucky to have two loving parents; many children don’t have that. I would rather have a mother and son who loved each other as my parents than the unrelated parents I had who faught all the time and divorced when I was young.

I think that these people, a mother and son who had sex, are filthy, lazy, Satanic, evil individuals. They not only belong in jail, but even a death penalty might not be out of order for them.

This is what kind of filth we will see more and more as Satan takes hold of the world and the homosexual agenda is shoved down our throats.

They can’t be Satanic nor evil if they love each other. Come on, the described way of having sex is a manifestation of a great love rather than a short pleasure.

there both adult.hopefuly his mom is hot looking.

I have posted this on another one on incest, but I’m too lazy to write something new, so here it is:

I personally think that first cousins should be the closest relation anyone who is gonna be in a relation should be. Some of you said that the genetic defects are minimal, but that is not true. They were probably talking about cousins who have children; because defect rate for cousins is between 4 and 7%, while a non related couple’s is between 3 and 4%. And any closer relation then first cousins has a much higher rate of genetic research. And I’d like to say that is completely unhealthy for most family relationships to have mother-son, father-daughter, brother-sister, Aunt-nephew, uncle-niece or any combo of the above because it usually ruins family life and creates a much higher rate of defects. I also think their should be an age restriction on what teens, pre-teens and children should have relationships with who; like one cant be more than two years older than the other so there can be no power inequities, like father-daughter, in which the daughter might be too afraid to say no if the dad asks for sex. Well, that was my rant, so flame me or so I rock or whatever[preferably the second one;)].

The sexual relationship between mother and her son is completely weird.This can accure only between two mentally retarded persons.Those who are involved in such kind of activities are worth of getting death penalty rather than going to jail for few years ,coming back again and continuing the same old fantasy.Even animals have rules in there kingdom.And we are Humans.Humans are the wonderfull creation on this earth.We’ve got brains to think.Mitchelle you said you have two daughters.When they grow,would you allow them to have sex with your boy friend/son if they wish?And i would like to suggest mothers or sons who have such weird fantasies should immediately get some medical help for there mental illness.

I am also doing unbiased(like bianca) research on this unique subject of consensual(not forced or coerced)mother-son incest. I would like to invite Michelle,and Delina to see what ohter mothers and sons(and a few daughters)are reporting about their sexual relationships.
http://forum.onecenter.com/concerned

I would also like to hear from daughters and fathers who are having consensual(not forced-rape-or coerced)incest. in my research I emphasize “consensual” as when the participants have no mental problems,or psychological reservations as to engage in sexual activity with their relatives. I personally do not comdemn or condone the consensual aspect of incest.I vehemently oppose and comdemn the factor of abuse,as pedophilia,though incest might not be exactly pedophilia in the legal term) But I want to learn about the probable causes or dynamics that create the opportunity for incest to occur. It could be sexual nature. It is a fact through human history,though not accepted universally,that incest is always in the psychological and normal physical development of all humans.
by this I mean to remember evryone that we all,almost without exception,have had some form of conscious,or unconscious sexual desire to either one of our parents: sons for their mothers,daughters for their fathers. The only difference,based on clinical research,is that most human beings will repress it because of the universal and rational reaction that incest is wrong.So eventhough we secretly fantasize about this aspect of incest,we never dare to act it out for a natural fear of reprisals by society. However,based on some special circumstances,some people will get involved,or progress from the fantasy stage to the actual incestuos intercourse stage. This was Sigmund Freuds favorite subject of study during most of his life. He even married his cousin. So, my opinion is that as a reseracher,I can’t do nothing but listen,and learn from the real life cases of incest going on in our society.
I will never accuse anybody of any wrong doing,as a researcher will always be neutral. That is the “professional” consensus of anybody doing research on a professional basis.

The Libertarian Question
Incest, homosexuality, and adultery.

Here is a mystery at the heart of the gay-marriage debate. I call it the “libertarian question.” The libertarian question (really a series of questions) goes like this: Why should any form of adult consensual sex be illegal? What rational or compelling interest does the state have in regulating consensual adult sex? More specifically, how does the marriage of two gay men undermine my marriage? Will the fact that two married gay men live next door make me leave my wife? Hardly. So how, then, does gay marriage undermine heterosexual marriage? Why not get the state out of such matters altogether?

The libertarian question is mysterious because, in modern society, we find it difficult to understand the continuing necessity of shared moral standards — and of collective taboos against actions that violate those standards. Traditional societies depend on shared moral sentiments and collective taboos. Modern democracies, for the most part, have rejected these forms of collective morality in favor of an emphasis on personal freedom. Yet the truth is, although their workings are mysterious to us, shared moral codes (and a structure of taboos that guards those codes) can never be entirely dispensed with.

INCEST
Let’s approach the libertarian question about gay marriage from a new angle. The flap over Senator Rick Santorum’s remarks has raised the question of incest. If homosexual sex is declared private, why won’t consensual adult incest fall under the same sort of protection? (In raising this question, Sen. Santorum was simply echoing Justice Byron White’s decision in Bowers v. Hardwick.)

In his very useful exploration of the consensual incest problem, (See “Incest Repellent?” and “Incest Repellent, Continued.”) William Saletan points to a case of incest in which a woman was drawn into a sexual relationship with her uncle while she was still a minor, but continued that relationship as an adult. The woman was found guilty of incest and sentenced to supervised probation. After violating probation (presumably to return to her uncle) she was sentenced to five years in jail. Why should this woman have been jailed?

The prevalence of consensual adult incest is difficult to judge. It may be relatively rare. The deeper problem, of course, is the sexual abuse of children by older family members. The impossibility of real consent, as well as the potential psychological damage in cases of incestuous child abuse, are matters of very serious concern. But incestuous child abuse can obviously be made illegal. What is wrong with consensual adult incest?

Let’s return to the libertarian question. If a man happens to walk around town arm and arm with his adult niece, is that going to make me abuse my teenaged niece? In most cases, probably not. Clearly, however, there is a connection. Our collective horror at incest-even adult incest-acts as a protective barrier against the temptation to incest with minors. The very real dangers of child abuse within families shows us that a significant number of people are potentially susceptible to sexual interest in the children under their control. Our collective taboo on incest, as expressed in our laws, helps to offset that potential temptation.

The mechanism here is embodied in the law, but goes well beyond the mere mechanical workings of the law. The real mechanism is collective and psychological. The law on incest expresses a shared moral value. It is a collective statement. As such, it reinforces a sense of disgust that helps to ward off temptation.

To see the mechanism of our incest taboo at work, imagine a world in which consensual adult incest was legal. Once we see or hear of couples — even a relatively small number — who engage in legal, consensual, adult incestuous relationships, the whole idea of incest with minors becomes thinkable. Preventing incest with minors from becoming thinkable is the purpose of the taboo.

The reason we need an incest taboo is because there is no effective way for the state to protect children from sexual abuse by family members. Children are essentially at the mercy of the adults who care for them. So only by building into adults a psychological mechanism of disgust and horror at incest can society protect children from the psychological harm of abuse by close relatives. The taboo runs deeper than the law itself. Yet the law embodies and reinforces the taboo. Were the law to be eliminated — even for consenting adults only — the taboo on incest with minors would be weakened, or break down-maybe not in all families, or even most, but for far too many.

HOMOSEXUALITY
The taboo against homosexuality works in a similar fashion. But what, exactly, does the taboo on homosexuality protect? There is more than one way to approach that question, but the short answer is: The taboo on homosexuality protects marriage. Or, to look at the same problem from a slightly different angle, the institution of Western marriage, in its most traditional form, has been protected by a many-sided taboo against all sexuality outside of its confines — and against non-procreative sexuality within it. Just as the taboo on incest reduces the temptation to child abuse, the taboo on non-marital and non-reproductive sexuality helps to cement marital unions, and helps prevent acts of adultery that would tear those unions apart.

As an ultimate symbol of sexuality for the sake of pleasure (rather than reproduction) homosexuality has traditionally been taboo. That taboo was embodied and expressed in sodomy laws. Rigorous enforcement of these laws was secondary — and in any case, next to impossible. The important thing was the statement of collective values made by the laws against sodomy. By making homosexuality taboo, the law reinforced the idea that the highest and proper purpose of sexuality itself was to bind and energize families.

Of course, over the last 30 years, the taboo on homosexuality, like the broader taboo on a purely pleasure-seeking sexuality inside and outside the confines of marriage, has substantially broken down. And it’s not surprising that, as a consequence of our changed understanding of sexuality, the rates of divorce and out of wedlock birth have dramatically risen. Of course, at the same time as the divorce rate has risen, the weakening of the old taboos has substantially increased our personal freedom. And our new sexual freedom has benefited no one more than homosexuals, who no longer serve, in nearly the degree they once did, as ultimate symbols of forbidden sexuality.

On balance, I think we as a society have gained much from the weakening of the old sexual taboos, although it is important to keep in mind that we are in fact dealing with a trade-off here. Traditional sexual taboos protect marriage, and their weakening cannot help but weaken marriage — even as they increase personal freedom. But again, on balance, I believe that at least some of the weakening in the old sexual system has been worth the trade-off.

ADULTERY
What we need to understand — but do not — is that gay marriage will undermine the structure of taboos that continue to protect heterosexual marriage — and will do so far more profoundly than either the elimination of sodomy laws, or the general sexual loosening of the past thirty years. Above all, marriage is protected by the ethos of monogamy — and by the associated taboo against adultery. The real danger of gay marriage is that it will undermine the taboo on adultery, thereby destroying the final bastion protecting marriage: the ethos of monogamy.

Gay marriage threatens monogamy in two ways. First, gay marriage threatens monogamy because homosexual couples — particularly male homosexual couples — tend to see monogamy as nonessential, even to the most loyal and committed relationships. Of course, advocates argue that legal gay marriage will change all that — that marriage will make gays more monogamous. But it is just as likely (indeed, far more likely) that the effect will go in the other direction — openly non-monogamous married gay couples will break the connection between marriage and monogamy. (For more on this, see the NRO Gay-Marriage Debate, particularly my, “Point of No Return.”)

Even more powerfully, gay marriage threatens monogamy through its tendency to lead, on a slippery slope, to the legalization of polygamy and polyamory. (For more on this, see my Commentary article, “What Is Wrong With Gay Marriage.”

It’s important to understand what the danger of openly non-monogamous gay marriages, and of legalized polygamy and polyamory, really is. The key problem here is not, say, that polygamous marriages are unfair or exploitative to women. (That is a legitimate concern, of course, but it is not the greatest social danger posed by legalized polygamy.) The real problem is the effect of openly non-monogamous gay unions, and of legalized polygamy and polyamory, on the ethos of monogamy.

Even in the wake of the sexual-cultural changes of the Sixties, there is still a strong consensus in our society that marriage means monogamy. That consensus is expressed in the taboo on adultery. Legal recognition for group marriage, and for openly non-monogamous gay unions, would effectively destroy the taboo on adultery. That doesn’t meant that everyone would instantly go out and commit adultery — any more than everyone exposed to legal incestuous unions between consenting adults would engage in child abuse. But there would be a significant social effect — and it would be over and above the weakening of marriage that has already occurred in the wake of the changes since the Sixties.

The libertarian asks, Just because two married gay men live next door, is that going to make me leave my wife? In a way, the answer is “Yes.” For one thing, as a new generation grows up exposed to gay couples who openly define their marriages in non-monogamous terms, the concept of marriage itself will gradually change. No doubt, movies and television in a post-gay-marriage world will be filled with stories of the “cutting edge” understandings of open marriage being pioneered by the new gay couples, even if the actual number of such married gay couples is relatively small.

A large segment of the gay community looks forward to gay marriage for precisely this reason. Many thoughtful gay activists see same-sex marriage as a chance to redefine marriage itself — stripping marriage of what they see as its outdated and constricting connection to monogamy. And of course, even more powerfully than openly non-monogamous gay marriages, legalized group marriage would destroy the taboo against adultery. (Lot’s of potential for movies and TV there.)

Still, the libertarian asks, Would the group marriage next door really make me leave my wife? Maybe not. Of course, the married commune next door might invite the two of you over for some fun, with potentially problematic results for your marriage. But even that is not the real problem. The deeper difficulty is simply the breaking of the taboo on adultery. Sodomy laws were barely enforced, yet they made a collective statement about social attitudes toward non-marital and non-reproductive sexuality. Similarly, incest laws are rarely invoked. Yet their existence reinforces the horror of incest, and helps prevent the sort of violations that make incestuous temptation thinkable.

So the mere social statement that marriage does not mean monogamy is where the real danger of legalized gay-marriage and polyamory lie. And the collapse of consensus about shared social institutions really does effect us as individuals. Once we as a society no longer take it for granted that marriage means monogamy, you may not decide to leave your wife. But you may be more likely to give in to the temptation of an affair. And that could mean the end of your marriage, whether that’s what you wanted going into the affair or not. (For another way of looking at this problem, see my, “Code of Honor,” where I compare the operation of the taboo against adultery to the working of a college’s anti-cheating honor code.)

As with the taboos on incest and sodomy, society can’t enforce the taboo on adultery with laws. Laws on matters of sexual conduct do make a difference, but less as enforcement mechanisms than as embodiments of common values. Precisely because the state cannot monitor and prosecute adultery, society writes a taboo against the practice into our hearts. The laws of marriage as currently constituted embody and express that taboo. Transform those laws, and the taboo will disappear.

The ongoing need for shared social understandings on matters pertaining to the family and sexuality does not fit neatly into the libertarian playbook. Social and sexual taboos are the stuff of traditional societies. But the truth is, so long as we live, not merely as isolated individuals, but in families together, we shall be in need of social and sexual taboos.

If the controversy over Senator Rick Santorum’s remarks has made it possible to openly discuss the real basis of our shared social and sexual understandings, then it will have done some good. Unlike Sen. Santorum, I would rather accept some disruption in family stability than go back to the days when homosexuality itself was deeply tabooed. The increase in freedom and fairness is worth it. Yet there has been a terrible social cost for the changes of the sixties. We need to mitigate those costs. And we certainly do not need to risk the destruction of an already weakened family system by radically undermining the ethos of monogamy.

Gay marriage would set in motion a series of threats to the ethos of monogamy from which the institution of marriage may never recover. Yet up to now, our society has been unable to face the real costs and consequences of the proposed change. That is partly because of an understandable sympathy for the gay-rights movement. But it also reflects the sheer inability of modern folk to grasp the operation, necessity — or even the existence — of the system of moral consensus and prohibition upon which society itself depends.

— Stanley Kurtz is a research fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University.

Hi everybody. It’s good to see all of you here in this forum. And more interesting is the cases of Michelle Kovac and Delina. I really love to hear from you about your life. If possible, you please contact me by this :POSTING EMAIL ADDRESSES NOT ALLOWED. I will email you if you write me.

I don’t think all of the people here are really serious. please dont’t write what you think it’s shit here.Incest of mom son does happen and should be okay? If you think it’s ok, just do it. If not, forget it. It ’s fucking easy, don’t you know?

Hi, everybody, well, at first i think if someone who visits this forum more or less pays attention to incest. If the two invovled partners feel like it and do it. Its their choice! I agree with Tom Hance! IT’S THEIR BUSINESS. However, it’s not allowed to commit what “so called incest”. So , if they know , you wil be judged by law. I am doubted by Michelle Kovac when you said you lived in Sydney and have two kids with your son(well! your husband) Is it a true story? And i also love to learn more about Delina’s. If possible, you please write me: POSTING EMAIL ADDRESSES NOT ALLOWED.

Wow, just prove that people are becoming more and more depraved and this world is going to hell (figuratively, of course.) Wow, what a bunch of sick bastards.

This story is a travesty of justice. The comments have been mentioned before, but the son was 18 years old. Absolutely at the age of consent. An age where you are allowed to vote, fight for your country (& die for it), get a driving license etc. Making the decision on who to sleep with is well within that remit. There is no evidence that the guy’s mother made him do it against his will. Its pefectly acceptable that some people may take a moral decision that it is not something that they would indulge in, but who do they think they are to judge others?

There is a special loving bond between mother & son, something that already puts any type of sexual relationship head & shoulders above most ‘ordinary’ ones. If they wish to consumate their relationship by sleeping with each other, and its consentual, and the son is of an age to know what is happening, then it really is their business – not ours.

There are many other activities in the world that should be openly condemned and fought against.(famine, genecide etc). Two people who love each other, sleeping with each other is not one of them.

I would hope that any Mothers & sons involved in a sexual relationship would respond to this and confirm that my thinking is correct…..

Hi, everybody. i read all the comments here and i think that people always make ”mistake”. BuT WHAT? To err is human! People who dont have that kind of relationship think badly for the others. I am a mother who used to have such the relationship , so waht can i talk back to them. Maybe, you think i am silly to have the relationship and then write it. But if you do it. you will know how good it is. I enjoyed it very much in my 40s.

Clair,I am glad you have the courage to write. You say the relationship took place when in your 40’s. I assume you are older now?

I don’t think you are silly at all…..I would feel honoured if you were able to share any aspect of this relationship you had with your son. Don’t worry about some people here not understanding the tenderness and love involved in this kind of relationship. There are many of us who do. I hope you write some more.

Hi Ian, I am a 53 year old women now. It’s older, you’re right! My son now is 31 and living in another country. We still email each other. We ahve the relationship for many years. It’s great!.But if someone who hates it will think that it’s a sin. I mean if the two persons enjoy it. Why not?. Last but not least, both must be over 18 and be satisfied.Cheers.

Clair, thank you for writing again. Your son is a very lucky guy. You are absolutely right. If you are over 18, and both people enjoy it, it’s up to you. Do you miss your son as a lover, a son or both now that he has moved to another country? I would love to email you direct, but am unsure how to do this. If you would like to, answer this back and I’ll see if I can work out a way. If not – just ignore me! I’ll understand…. Ian

ok, let email and talk each other. i love to share the story with those who are interested in it. why not?

Hi again!
To the religious zealots who replied to my post, Are you all forgrtting that according to catholic religious doctrine we are all descending from the incestuous couplings and interminglings of the descendants of two brothers Cain and Able. Acordingly you would then condem the entire human race as satanist and evil, including yourselves. You can’t have it both ways. Come to thnk of it you don’t have it both ways which is why most religious people and organisations hate “people” and the world in general.

clair how can I get in contact with you? I will love you point of view with this? your story and others info.

Hi Michelle, i read all of your writing here. LOVE IT. However, i have something that i want to share with you. if possible, you can write me . the email add is EMAIL ADDRESS DELETED.

With all this talk about offsprings of incest having a higher chance of their parents’ genetic problems manifesting, an obvious consideration has been mixed.

Just as bad recessive genes are more likely to make themselves felt in this case, so are the good onces. Maybe it balances out, overall.

I’m 50 years old woman. I always wanted my son to
be my lover. I think he also wanted that. However
something kept me out of entering into these relations. Now I feel that this was a BIG mistake.

Hi Michelle,
please could you give me an idea on how
can I get involved into this relations
with my son? I am a mother, and as a mother
I just can’t go for it… I asked him once would
he marry me, if I was not his mother? He answered
yes. I love him as a son. Do I love him as a man?
I think yes…I’m not sure.

I forgot to say, that my son is 27.
He would like to be my lover, although
he never spoke about that. The
problem (must be psychological?)is in
me.

Clair, please replay to me.

Hi Clair,

you know how to contact me now…. the rest is up to you.

Ian

Hi Mash,
Plan a “special” night, rent or buy an older woman/younger man porn dvd. Wear something casual but revealing. Make dinner and have the movie playing in the background while having dinner (he can’t run away then) make small talk about the movie…im sur he’ll get the hint.

Love Michelle

Mash,

My mother attempted to seduce me when I was in my teens. She was seated and told me to sit in her lap. I was as big as her but she insisted. Then she hugged me from behind and planted a million kisses on my neck and face, never stopping. I got very turned on! I wasn’t sopshisticated enough to know she wanted me and I thought my getting turned on was wrong so I ran off. Had she grabbed my crotch I would have known for sure what she wanted. I think if you hug your son tightly, press your body against him and just shower him with kisses he is going to get turned on if he’s already inclined to feel that way about you. From there you touch him and he’s going to do something!

Make him feel something directly. If you want to also play a porn and say things in addition, that won’t hurt either.

Hi dears,

thanks a lot for your advises! They help me to
feel free in my decision. However I would be happy
to hear more about how our relations will develop after the first night? I do not see any
“technical” problem, however I have problems in
understanding what will happen then, how we will
feel ourselves after this?

Love Mash

What happens after? Just take it one day at a time and see what develops.

Let us know how it goes.

mash,
how do you know that your son want to have somthing with you, if he’s never spoken about it? I say have the door open when you are naked and let him see the good stuff and see how he handles it. I’m sure he can’t stop looking!!!!

Dave,
I didn’t tell you, but I live in France. The society here is rather open. My son sees me naked quite often when we go to beach during summers or even at home as you say. We shower each other with kisses, as Shane say, and even watch porn movies together in my bed and many many things like that. Everything is there, I always feel him getting hot in my bed in the evenings, when we are watching TV. The only missing thing between us is the sexual intercourse. And this is something I want to be between us, but at the same time I’m afraid. One of the problems is that I dont know how much responsibility will take my son in front of his father (my ex husband)? We still have good relations with him, and I don’t want my son to feel somehow guilty. The same problem concerns me as well. To finalize, I must say I don’t regard the sexual relations between mother and son as a bad thing or so. But I believe both the mother and the son have to be psychologically well prepared before going to it. Am I right, or may be this is just the fear speaking in me?

Mash,
You can prepare by telling your son you want him and finding out if he wants the same thing. Then you can discuss how even if the sexual relationship doesn’t work out you will still love each other as before. Others have told me this is a good idea.

Dear Mash
I am from china,when I was before 17,I love my moms boby,and she have guessed what I thought,and refused me.I am sad and my will cant be true forever.
can i mail you ?

Feel free to email me, however this does not mean, that i will guide you to your will or even give you advises to make it true. I don’t know even if I’ll have time to discuss this mother-son matter privately. This forum gives an opportunity to learn from other people, to extract something for you from their experience. Read all the comments and make your desision. Ask questions here, and other people will try to help you.

Shane, I agree with you, this is the way one should follow. The discussion between two adults will lead to the logical (or might be happy –crossing my fingers) end.

hey mash what going on with your son and you? did he give in?

I wonder how Michelle,Clair,and some of the other mothers whohave crossed the line of incest,or have thought to cross it are enjoying their special relationships. Since the last time I posted here,i have received a lot of emails from volunteer contributors: mothers who are having sexual relationships with their sons. At first I took it with a form of mild distrust of their honesty,but so far(after many emails) I managed to meet in person a few mother-son couples here in California,and I was really amazed at the secrecy that these couples have to practiced in order their relationship going!
To summarize: the category of these consensual lovers range from very rich(at least two millionaires),to middle class,working class,and poor. Many of various racial profiles(white couples the larger number though!)And interestingly enough: two mothers have children(very healthy looking!)by their sons.
And in a very rare case,the husband of one of those mothers, insisted that that mother seduce her son(who was very obsessed with her anyway)She was the one avoiding any sexual contactdue to guilt feelings for her husband. In most cases,except for a couple of couples,the husband(father)was separated,divorced,or dead. Mother did not want to go through the dating process again,and was convinced,after much thought,that having sex with her song was more convenient,due to the circumstances.
However,in almost 99% of these samll pool of volunteers,most sons went out to marry other women and now have families of their own. Sometimes these mothers confessed that once in a while the son comes back “looking for mommy” for sex. But,interestingly enough most mothers do not engaged in sex with their married sons in order to avoid feeling guilty of been the cause of their sons cheating on their wives. Only one odd case that the wife of son knew and encouraged the mother-sex variation with her husband! And one particular incident where the daughter-in-law participated in a three-some.
As I keep gathering more data I will try to share it here. Keep checking once in a while.

Hi Concerned,

What an interesting and revealing post!

I for one will certainly be dipping back in to see if you have any updates….

Ian

To concerned posted on 12/25 it would be very interesting to hear more of your research. Please post more if you can. Thanks.

You may be interested to know that the full story that started this thread is featured this week (W/C 2nd January 2006) in a UK weekly women’s magazine called “take a break”.

It is featured over 3 full pages and is quite detailed on how the circumstances arose to create this relationship.

michelle did you and your son every get married and i think you have two lovely girls that you and your son made. did you have any more keep up your sex with your son it great

MICHELLE YOU ARE GREAT AND I WISH THERE WHERE MORE MOTHER THAT WOULD GIVE BIRH TO THERE OWN GRANDKIDS. I HOPE THAT YOUR SON HAS TAKEN YOU AS HIS WIFE. BECUASE YOU DID A WOUNDFUL THING BY GETTING PREGENT BY YOUR OWN SON& MAKING HIM A FATHER KEEP IT UP

you know what TRIXIE!!!! Shut the FUCK UP!!!!!! your just piss-off that know one want to touch you. if she happy then leave like that. you have no right to say something to someone that you don’t even know!!!! Back off!!! and get out of here!!!!

trixie, my son and I have agreed to stop at two children, I’ve had my tubes tied, but we’re still enjoying a great sex life. We recently had a “threesome” with a girl I met at a club, she was actually quite turned on by the idea of joining a mother and son in a “threesome”.

michelle has your son taken you as his wife

I tried to put the moves on mother one time, my dick was real hard and I was horny. She repaid me by coming after me with a big fucking knife.
Evertime I bring a chick to the motel, mother winds up slashing her to pieces with that big fucking knife of hers. I never get any pussy, I always wind up beating off in the office. I sure wish somebody had some ideas on how I could get laid without mother finding out and going nuts again.
Norman Bates

Michelle, just a thought…since you’re fucking your son in an incestious relationship, what’s to stop him from going after the two daughters. After all, if you’re going to have incest in the family, doesn’t it include incest with everybody?
Ten years old is a good age to break-em in, that’s when I broke in my sister. I’d be glad to come over and show you and your son how it’s done.

Oh, by the way Michelle, have you and your son tried anal sex yet? There’s nothing like some good family ass pumping to bring a little joy and excitement to the day.

for all you haters out there!!!! this is her life style about this matter!!!! she has the right to do whatever she wants!!! fuck off!!! Michelle if thats make you happy then you go girl!!! for Trixe you ugly dum-ass hood-rat your just mad because your dad did not want to touch you!!! As for you Neighorhoodcrusier your just mad because your mom has a bigger dick then you!!! Michelle more power to you and your family!!!

Dave you can kiss a fat man’s ass. Who gives a shit about some skanky ol’ ho with a wore out cunt fucking her son and probably her dog too. If you want to suck up to some of that go ahead, and you know what?
Trixie sounds like a nice gal, and she don’t need your foul shit. As for the size of my dick, everybody has a dick bigger than me, but I don’t fuck dogs like you.

Thats enough name calling and don’t knock sex with animals expecially dogs untill you try it. I have tried it and it was quite pleasurable, I have a friend who swears by her doberman and says she’ll never go back to men again.

Ok people….thats enough.All the things i pasted these days were not real.I just wanted to view peoples mentallity.Anyways at last the answer i found was people in here are really in need of treatment.Just go and get treated urselves.

It’s OK Michelle, we knew you was “funning” us all the time..ha ha It was great fun. Just to let you know, I put myself in a treatment program, and they let me out on the weekends if I promise to take my medication. You’re a great gal and can take it as well as dish it out, don’t stop, I look forward to reading your posts.

About time!!! Its all in good fun!!! not all people are saying the truth, they are just having fun. Peace!!!!!

So….Michelle Kovac, tell us about Australia.
What’s going on there, it should be summertime now.

That was not me in the last post, I assure you guys I’m quite real.

i think some one is trying to start the matter again in my name.let me make it clear again,what i told these days was a joke.I was trying to determine peoples mentallity.So dont get tempted to start the topic which never existed.I have no son or daughter.I’m only a 23 year old girl with a handsome boyfriend.Sorry for all those postings i have made before.Those are all a bunch of lies which my boyfriend and me started for fun.Some crap mind is more interested in incest,so he or she might immitate my name to start the topic again.So kindly ignore.

Oh You little shit, how dare you steal my id and post as me.

Stop it copy cat!!!!! Now stop fooling everybody,i have already fooled them a lot.If u want to start a new story then use ur real nick and start a new story.But dont copy my nick to start the old topic

Michelle….which ever one you are, I wanna kiss you all over…and be your love slave!

I’ve recently been reading some of the articles and comments posted here so now I feel that irresistible urge to post a comment too. My policy is: don’t ask and don’t tell. If those 2 people are at and over the age of consent, and if it is concensual, then the law, society, and everybody else should have no say in the matter.

It is a grown adult’s choice, and who are we to dictate people what to do? I for one think that an incestuous relationship can be a beautiful thing. Love is love is love is love.

yea…? love is love? if u can find only love in incest then go and eat shit.Else go and commit suicide.You are unfit to be a human on this earth.If people compare themselves with animals then why only incest? animals do sex only during mating season. ie:Once a year or twice,they eat shit sometimes.If people justifies themselves by comparing to animals then u need to follow everything that animals do,not only incest u should start living in jugles too.Even incest is done only under some circumstances.Not always in animal kingdom.Last but not least,if someone takes examples from animal kingdom then u really need a medical checkup.

in relation to topic far above .. i just wonder if the mom who had sex with her son compared his son’s performance and dick size with his dad (her husband) , or the son did compared himself with his dad..

Hi All
I am really interested in all the comments here. I had a sexual relationship with my Sister when we were in our teens, but no longer. However, I live with my wife like Brother and Sister and we like it that way. She refers to my parents as Mum and Dad. This is a fantasy version of incest but its legal.

I run a Support Forum for Consanguineous couples (Brother/Sister, Mother/Son/, Father/Daughter) so please visit if you are interested and would like to post with others about the subject. Visit my website – see link below.

This is a great site. Most sites which deal with incest generally come under porn and they have a specific, often degrading style of relating to this critical issue of human sexual behaviour. one wonders why mothers and sons don’t fuck each other given they already have so much closeness and stay so close physically. I was not attracted to my own mom, but i am quite turned on by the idea of a mothers and sons breaking the taboo and screwing each other. The point is how do they relate to each other after they have been in bed together, naked, rolling over each other, kissing each other naked bodies, fondling each others organs, enjoying each other as men and women. Must be hugely exciting nevertheless.
would mothers speak up and say how did the mornings of thier nights of passion with thier own sons pass…

^^^lol, finished wanking there chanks?

seriously, if it’s consensual sex why should anyone but the parties involved care? and as for the offspring believe me there are deranged and dangerous people that were born perfectly healthy, ask anyone in the bush administration.

I have been exhibiting myself naked in front of my mother for years. She sometimes dresses in see-through nightgowns, but I know we will never have intercourse. She bathed me until I was a teenager and I still dream of that. The only reason not to do this is because God, as written in the Bible, forbids it.
There is no logic to what people do and don’t do. In the end, we can only rely on God.

When I was 19 aqnd still living at home, I was watching tv alone with my mother next to me on the couch. I was wearing boxer shorts and she was wearing a nighgown. The fly of my shorts was wide open and at the beginning she couldn’t see anything. However, I started getting turned on by the thought of her being so close and in a nightgown. I had an immediate erection the quickly grew out of the fly. She couldn’t help but notice this since she was turned in my direction which was where the tv was. She didn’t say anything even when it was throbbing. It went down a minute later but maybe 30 seconds after that it got erect again very fast and throbbed. This time she cleared her throat as if to say, excuse me, what is going on here, if you know what I mean. Well I couldn’t deny the erection or even pretend I didn’t know what the throat clearing was for. What could I do or say? I was unbelievably horny by now both from the fact that she turned me on and by the fact that I was now totally erect not one foot from her with her letting me know that she sees it.

You guys know that being super horny will give you the guts needed to say things that you might otherwise be afraid to say. I confessed that she turned me on no end. I was so pleasantly surprised that she was not freaking out or even the least bit angry. She just said, “Oh, I see.” I then did it. I actually asked with sad puppy dog eyes if she would please help me and take care of it for me. I promised I would never tell anyone. She said that she was my mother and how can I ask that. I just repeated that she turned me on. After about 15 or 20 seconds of silence, she said, “well I have read that it’s not unusual for boys to have a sexual attraction to their mothers”. That turned me on even more. Anyway, to make a long story shorter, she told me that she knew how horny I must be and that it must have taken a lot of nerve to ask her that. She smiled and told me that this would be a once in a lifetime thing and don’t ask her again. At first she ran her fingers up my shaft but then stopped. Was she changing her mind? Noooo, she pulled my boxer shorts off so as not to get them stained. She returned to stroking me soon, wrapping her hands around “it” and stroking. To my chagrin, I lasted only about 15 maybe 25 seconds. I came all over like never before. She giggled and asked me if I enjoyed it. Well duh. Of course I said yes. I asked her if she enjoyed it and she told me she did and that it had been a while since she had done this. Well true to her word that was the only time she did that. She still gives me a knowing smile from time to time and I still get erections when I hug her, but that’s as far as it gets.

Steven, exactly how old were you when she stopped bathing you? Did you know that you were old to be bathed by your mother? Were you turned on? Did she wash your genitals? Did you get erect? Did she ever comment about it?
I’ll bet more mothers bathe their sons into adolescence than people realize.

hey, its ight to have sex wif ya moms… i wish i could have sex wif my mom man id be bangin her all the damn time. and eat her pu$$y out..

puddin’pie
As you will now realise, you cannot post your email address here. Perhaps you would like to visit my site and post there? There are a lot of men and probably women – even mothers, who would be interested in talking to you about these sort of things.

im totally against the incest thing but i love to fuck all the aunties! is it wrong

For any of you interested in incest fiction, have a look at first book for sale (click on link below) – Infinite Blue Heaven – A King and A Queen. Let me know what you think.

CONSENSUAL! sex betvine two people should be leagal for everyone. Common, today it is leagal to cheat and have offsprings even when married, but sex betvine two people with GSM (Genetic Sexual Attraction) is not. Yes to consensual relationships betvine relatives.. :-)

PS. who could possibly be a better lover to one then ones own brother… :-)

I’ve got to say that I think its very sexy and that I have always fancied my mom who wore the most beautifu underwear and has given me a fetish for it ever since!

Thanks Isabella.
Can you contact me via the link on my first post – the link to the forum.
I would like to exchange messages with you. I have not had any sexual relationship with my sister for about 20 years – since we were teens but recently I called her (she is single mother now and a bit lonely) and we talked about sex and I went further than before saying i wanted to be inside her and that part of me had been faithful to her all that time (even though I am married). I talked a lot about her body and she seemed to like it. Now I am thinking maybe about making love to her. not sure though. Get in touch with me.

Oh and Viona. I know you have visited the site on more than one occasion. Please get in touch via my Consanguineous Forum link cos i want to know more. How did you parents feel when they found out you had your Brother’s baby growing inside you? How did you pursuade them to accept it. I think its great that you are so happy about it.

I caught my mom, drunk and passed out on the floor one time. Couldn’t resist the temptation to get out the shaving cream and my mach II razor so I could shave every hair off her ass and cunt.
When I was done, her pussy looked remarkably like the seven year old down the block that I fondle sometimes.
Her pussy’s not as tight though.

James, love your story about what your mother did to you on the sofa and quite believable. I have been doing quite a lot of research on mother/son incest for the last couple of years….more on that next time. Anyway, would love to hear the full story

Atariboy

Once when my daughter wanted to borrow the car, I dropped my drawers and told her she knew what she had to do.
While on her knees, ready to lick me, she complained about the shit on my ass, “mommy, you’ve got poo-poo on your butt”.
“I know, says I, your brother also wanted to borrow the car”.

Kevin,
There really isn’t much more to what happened. If there is anything you would like to know, please ask. I would be happy to answer any questions you have if I can.
I will be looking forward to what your research has turned up regarding mother/son incest. I am totally convinced that while it’s not very common, it’s a lot more common than most peole think. After all, who is going to tell?

James, to a certain extent I think you are right. mother/son incest is more common then we think, however alot depends on the circumstances between the son and his mother.
Have you tried anything or asked of for a repeat of the incident that happened on the sofa.
I am currently compiling stats on mother/son incest, where the son approached the mother and hope to compile a guide, based on my findings, on methods and ways to have a physical encounter with mothers.

Atariboy

Kevin,
Yes, I tried. About 5 or 6 weeks after this happened, we found ourselves in a similar situation on the couch. I had an instant erection just thinking about what happened before. It was no sooner erect when I heard my mother say, “forget it, It’s not going to happen.”
I asked her why not, since she told me that she enjoyed it. She reminded me that she told me that it was a one time thing. I repeated the fact that she told me that she enjoyed it and what was the harm? She just came out and told me that yes she enjoyed it but she was afraid of where it would lead. And besides, she didn’t want this to become a common occurance. I told her that I would be happy if it happened only once a month. She told me that she didn’t blame me for trying, but that it just wasn’t going to happen again, so just give it up.

Hi James, fair play to you and your mother. As I said quite a believalbe story and very erotic. I think that if you had pushed your mother, you may have been able to persuade her to make it a ‘monthly’ occurance…or even a nice birthday present. It’s stories like yours that is fueling me to get to seduction guide written.

Kevin

Yes, I often think about that. Looking back I think there was a 50-50 chance that I could have convinced her that it would have been a great birthday present. She liked giving me presents. And it wouldn’t have cost her any money, lol. But I was not as wise then as I am now.

Sorry to throw cold water, but I found a pic of the Mom and her son. Don’t know if pervscan allows images but:
Or you can put this in your browser location: http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/images/articles/fixed/150/0/20048131218603.jpeg

Scary.

james,

Obviously this happened a few years ago but did you ever consider approaching her again or have circumstances changed preventing you from doing this

Kevin,
I’m in my 50’s now. As I had mentioned earlier, this happened when I was 19. My mother passed away a while back so obviously it’s not possible to try anything now. Like most guys who flirted with mother/son incest, I will always wonder what would have or could have been.

Just to advise you folks mother-son is quite common in Japan.In the news itwas reported that mothers offer it as an inducement for their sons to do well at school…also so many of the anime comics feature mother-son incest in graphic detail…

Also a lot of the husbands are out working or too tired and the son fulfills a useful function in satisfying the mother sexual needs.

Incest is just friction love …Love is friction…just skin rubbing against skin….friction sex generates pleasure…stop mking itinto ahuge deal….as long itsconsensual….remember homosexuality was a big deal and taboo nots its accepted….in time consensual incest will be become accepted too..

I was asked by a mom if she should bath her son if he asked her to do so . I said yes it is a time for bonding like no other. She washed his penis with soap until it became erect,then he asked her to get him off. She told me that since she helped him to ejaculate their relationship has become much closer and better . He now studies better comes home on time and has set goals for his life. He is 19 she is 52

You people are some funny shit I have to say. I heard some really good stories from the guys I work with and nothing like this but these stories top them off, especially the story of a mother stripping at her sons birthday party, hahaha. I do have one secret and my girlfriend is the only one that knows it…. I take that back, alot of people know. Im a hardcore exhibitionist and my turnon is having sex in public like the park bench so people could watch us except for children. Thats my turnon but the topic that Im reading is interesting. Never once would I think of having sex with any of my family members but your business is yours. I can only imagine of how many people I actually ran into or walked by on the street in my 29 years that actually does this kind of stuff. Im not going to get into right and wrong because I would hate for someone to call me names because they are just so serious about this subject. It hurts my feelings when Im called names,hahaha. One more thing, that pic that was presented of the mom and son that had sex, that was something I pictured in my mind of people that do this kind of stuff. The mother was odd looking, ugly and the son was a geek that probably got his ass beat in school. I now can imagine how ugly people are when they do this stuff or even support it. Uh oh, I just open the door to name calling. You all have a meritorious day
Ike

One morning Martha calls upto her office and says, ” Hey Boss, I cant come in to work today?”
The boss goes, ” Well, Why not?”
Sam replies, ” I’m feelin’ sick”
The boss asks, ” How sick are you?”
Martha frustrated goes, ” Well, I’m home fucking my son, How sick is that?”.

Pete

How do you know this mother who asked you if she should bathe her son? Why did she ask you? How old was the boy when he asked her to bathe him?
I oftgen wonder how common it is for mothers to keep bathing their sons into adolescence even after they ejaculate from being washed by their mothers.

It hasn’t been proved that offspring of incest are any more likely to incure genetic defects than the offspring of parents who aren’t related. Besides if you believe in the bible, we’re all products of incest anyways.

Fucking christians

Note to “Fuck you”: I did your mother (twice) and she said you were a lousy fuck.

Cornell University, USA

Abstract Parsons has popularized the myth that mother-son incest is the most damaging form of incest. A review of sixteen cases casts doubts on this belief. It was found that responses to this type of incest are multi-dimensional, representing an extraordinary range of behavior not foreseen by Parsons. This leads to the conclusion that motherson incest does not trigger some innate biological response, but that the effects are more directly related to the symbolic meanings attributed to this act by the participants.

Dad and I have sexual experiences together quite often. It started when I was 17 and on holiday with him in Dorset, in the UK. He went out to the pub, and brought back a woman to his tent: Over the next few days she was around a lot… and she was so gorgeous.. I kept looking at her and getting really horny. One hot afternoon, she came crawling into my tent, and turned around in the tight space, and looked straight into my eyes. She looked right at me, and asked if I liked hearing her and my dad have sex.. I was dumbstruck! How did she know?
She giggled,and said the tent stank of spunk, and lifted a hand… the underside was covered in a shiny sheen of fresh cum, deposited there earlier when I heard my dad groan and shoot inside her. She told me to watch, and parted her legs, and guided her already damp fingers to her wet cunt lips, that were glistening in the filtered light that illuminated her in an orange glow.
She parted her fat lips, and I watched fascinated as a wet pearl shape appeared in the middle of her moist cunt, shining wetly, and slid downwards until it hung suspended by a silken thread, connected to her by a thin sliver of cum… my fathers cum!
I watched open mouthed as she slid her finger deep within her hot cunt, and heard a wet slick noise of trapped air leaving her, and the most wonderful smell filled the air.
I inhaled deeply, and she smiled.. ‘You like that, Philip, dont you?’ I blushed an even deeper shade, and was aware of my cock leaving the confined of my white Ck’s, the foreskin gently pulling back from my gland as my cock grew ever harder, lubricated by the wet cum and juices left there from my wank earlier.
I was transfixed as she moved her finger to her outside lips, brushing them, rubbing them, and then she brought her finger, connected by a spiders web thin trail of cum to my lips, and slid it over my dry hot lips.
Wow… my first taste of pussy for weeks, and definately my first taste of another mans cum. And, it was my fathers..

Animal breeders mate closely related individuals
to “improve” the qualities which are desirable,
seldom resulting in defective or deformed offspring. In human sexual relationships, the children of closely related partners have no greater chance of being “defective” than the children of unrelated parents. As a biologist, I see no reason why incest should be discouraged because of genetic fears. One caveat is that incest can be disruptive within the family if any member of the household is averse to the idea. A second caveat is that the participants be truly consenting in the sexual relations which occur.
Incest, in all its varieties and combinations,
occurs and will continue to happen. Let us not
condemn those who can do it without emotional
damage to the participants. Further, we must
give support to those who suffer anguish or
guilt from past events. Those who engage in
incest through coercion or exploitation must
be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

David

We all have our opinions and I have mine. When I was four my parents divorced. I lived with mom in a small apartment with one bath and two bedrooms. We often took showers together and sometimes I’d sleep in bed with her. When I turned 11, I noticed her nice tits and man did I get hard. That was when we got sexual with each other.

At age 16 dad married a real hot younger chick with a teenage daughter. It was not long before I was having sex with both of them. The best way I can describe my step mom’s tits is “Rack of Ages cleft for me, let me hide my cock in thee” Sorry, I did not mean to be sacreligious but all my relatives and us go to fundamentalist churches where there are plenty of mother fuckers. I mean funadamentalist churches are full of people who live incest while preaching super strick morality.

I think having an incent relationship is nothing to frown on. My cousin and I have been lovers for nearly four months and I can safely say that its the best relationship I ever had in my so far short life. I love her to death and the sex is mind-blowing, although my parents have severed contact with me since we told them, I am not going to end it cause society says its wrong

I myself agree that mother and son relationship is of no one business but themself. To each own choices I say. Although, I prefer someone not related but an older woman would be nice.

Kaleb

to clair,

I fully agree and support you and your son. I wish I could contact a few people who post these comments on here about mother and sons relationship.

used to watch my mom undress when she wasn’t looking, between the ages of 13 to 18 (When I moved out of the house). I used to masturbate thinking about her, sometimes more than I thought about girls at school. I had the most intense orgasms when I jacked off thinking about my mom.

When my mom and dad were out, I’d take my mom’s underwear out of the drawers and rub them on my throbbing dick.

Bravo to you guys that were able to share those moments with your mom’s. I wish I could have too.

If she would have let me, I would have had sex with her for hours.

To any christians out there who are having a hard time agreeing with this, remember, Adam and Eve had two sons, and no daughters. This means someone had to have sex with mom. Also, remember, when Noah came off of the Ark, he had his three sons and their wives. I guarantee there was a shitload of brother sister action going on there.

I’m always watching my mother showering, but I still didn’t fuck her……..and it is ok if mother and son over 18 have sex bt it is not good to make children……….

James,

As horny as your story about you and your mom together made me. It’s hard to believe you, when in one post you talk about how you still hug her, but that’s as far as it goes, and in another post you mention that she is dead.

Yes Jason there is a inconsistency. I must admit that in my first post I took a little liberty with the “I still get erections from hugging her….”.
That was a little embelishment I admit. Obviously I can’t hug her anymore. I kind of got carried away when I was posting my experience. Maybe it was wishful thinking.

i have been sleeping with my mother for 6 months now she is the best lover i ever had i love filling my mothers hot honey hole with my cum shooting my cum all over her massive sagging juggs while she chain smokes her ciggaretts and for desert i ease my cock up my mothers asshole and pump her asshole full of my cum by the way i am 50 my mother is 76 years old

good stories guys, keep bringing more in. I wish i had the chance with an older woman…lol

i been sleeping with my sister about 2years now she love to give oral sex i love her very much i dont care what you people think i lover

Any newer comments from mothers?? We only see the sons and counsins posting comments here but not enough of the mothers…

PervScan is disabling the comments on this post. They’ve just gotten too inane…