‘Legalize Incest’ Suggestion Shocks Lawmakers
“A respected academic in New Zealand has recommended that incest between consenting adults be legalized, playing down any concerns about the genetic abnormalities resulting from inbreeding. Professor Peter Munz, professor emeritus of history at Wellington’s Victoria University, stunned lawmakers who are considering amendments to criminal law by proposing that it was no longer necessary to outlaw sex between close relations. He argued that, historically, incest was illegal because it was considered a waste of an asset to have women marry close to home… In modern society, however, women were no longer required for marriage alliances, he argued. The incest prohibition had ‘lingered on needlessly’ but was clearly no longer required. Munz, a scholar whose books have been published internationally, also asserted that the likelihood that any children resulting from incestuous intercourse would suffer genetic defects was not a sufficiently good reason for making incest illegal. Any such damage would be sporadic, and in any case, ‘be eliminated after several generations.’” — Cybercast News Service (US)
What is astonishing about Professor Munz’s argument is not just the position he takes but the persuasive reasoning he uses to support it. Essentially he makes two points. First, he claims that the historical background that gave rise to an incest prohibition has obviously changed, so that the taboo is now socially gratuitous. You can imagine many psychologists objecting to this position, since in their view incest is a more primal relation conditioned not just by history but by the almost suprahistorical existence of the family unit. Second, Professor Munz argues that the issue of genetic defects resulting from in-breeding has basically been overstated. If a family were to “practice incest systematically” over a long period of time, the bad genes would undergo the same process of Darwinian elimination that they undergo in the rest of humanity. In other words, you might end up with a retard or two, but over the long haul the result “would probably be an improvement in the genetic quality of mankind.”
These are powerful arguments, but as so often happens with powerful arguments made in support of polemical positions, the response has been predictably superficial. Basically critics have just cried out that Professor Munz is opening the way to pedophilia, since if you legalize incest the most likely practitioners of it are not adult brothers and sisters but rather adult fathers with underage daughters. Which may well be true — but then you have to wonder if the prohibition of father/daughter incest is also a historically contingent phenomenon which could conceivably be different in other times, other places. In other words, Professor Munz’s argument just might extend to pedophilia and to most other forms of sexual deviance as well — which, ironically, is another way of saying that his arguments are nothing new, since it was a favorite tactic of the Marquis de Sade to point out how different cultures put different values on different sex acts.
“most likely practitioners of it”
Father/daughter, well of course. Also older brother/sister ; Father/son; older brother/younger brother.
Not to mention kissin cousins.
Mom seems to be the only one left out. Is she in the dog house?
mother & son…freaky
each to their own if it is what two people want than its up to them as long as the are over 18
Professor Munz is not saying that we should all go out and have incest because it improves the quality of the gene pool.
He is saying that the possibility of genetic mutation is only a couple of percent higher than for children not born of incest; that the genetic mutations are not likely to be really bad; and that any bad effects would naturally go out of the DNA after a few generations.
He’s not saying that incest would make the DNA perfect - he’s just saying that anything which did go wrong would correct itself after a few generations of incestuous or non-incestuous breeding.
Really, the biggest argument against incest was that the resulting children had defects. It was always known that this argument was very inaccurate. But anyway, even if it was true, does this mean that couples who live near toxic waste or radiation shouldn’t be allowed to have kids?
what is wrong with sexual stuff between fathers and underage daughters? i feel the man who planted the seed is entitled to the fruit of the tree. i do feel however that he should stop when she reaches child bearing age. or at least take proper precautions. Its not fair to her to be embarrased in front or her friends cos shes pregnant. in any case girls love their fathers and WANT to make them happy. they also love playing ‘games’ with them. why do u think they never tell their mothers? becos mothers will stop tyhem cos theyre jealous thatthe girl has taken away the father from them - not becos they think its wrong. its just jealously
you sick child raping fuck i hope the cops put you in a nice tiny cell with a gay cell mate so u can get raped up the ass for a couple of years!
It warmed my heart to read girl lover’s post…. It’s good to know there are still good loving Fathers out there that know to fuck their little girls. However, it saddens me that more Mother’s aren’t involved in this beautiful part of a girl’s developement. The first time a woman squeezes her husband’s dick into her daughter’s tiny pussy is one of the most passonate satisfying moments of her life! Little girls need a mommy to teach her how best to make Daddy happy. The girl needs to learn that feeling NASTY is a wonderful healthy part of life. IF Mom has been playing tit sucking games with the girl and getting her turned on and encouraging masturbation, the girl will be begging to be fucked by the time she is 5 or 6. Children are very sexual people, they are already playing with each others pussies and tits at 3 or 4 years old. Why not enjoy their passion and encourage it? If a woman tells her it’s a good thing she will have fun doing it and want to do it a lot… every day. Eat Daddy’s ass or suck the girl’s tits or run the camera while he fucks her, and make her suck you when you’re being fucked. Enjoy the thrill of Daddy switching back and forth between the two pussies. She will grow up to be a happy passionate adult, and a passionate woman is a confident woman. Good Mothers don’t stop Daddy from fucking his daughter…. a good Mother slips her hand under the girl’s little skirt, as she sits in Daddy’s lap in the park, and she unzips Dad’s pants and sticks his dick in the girl’s pussy so they can fuck in front of everyone. The girl shouldn’t take Dad from the Mother. Dad will love Mom more than ever. Both parents should enjoy the fruit of the tree!
Point is, there’s nothing wrong with incest.
And pedophilia is different from incest. It doesnt matter if incest is legal or not, pedophilia is a separate offense. Keeping the incest law to prevent pedophilia is madness.
ok, no offense, but “girl teacher” you are one SICK ASS FUCK!!!! what the hell is wrong with you, what would you do if your wife or dausghter was sexually abused by her dad? if you think that this is right, there is more wrong with you than just the obvious!!!!! same with you “girl lover”
All you sick fucks that tell love stories about incest should be killed. If I can find out who you are, your dead
girl teacher. Yeah uhm, you need therapy or something. I mean I’ve heard of screwed up, but you, man..it’s like screwed up and then some.
i think that incest is perfectly fine and natural as long as both parties are willing. And just because an adult has sex with thier child, it doesnt necessarily mean they were sexualy abused, but i think that is wrong for a parent to take advantage of thier child before puberty, because thats just wierd
I am firm believer that many of our attitudes about sex are taught - not inherent. I am also a believer in male dominance as largely natural, to one extent or another. And, while ‘girl teacher’ is less than elquent in his writing, I agree that men might be happier in being free to enjoy their daughters - to introduce them to the joys of sex, in a loving and supportive way (assuming the girl does not object). I also agree (and some small amount of research has shown) that a supporting mother can mean the difference between a a girl enjoying the act of sex with her father and feeling ditry about it. The act can be positive when supported by an adult female and tends to be largely negative when all the girl hears is the negativity emanating from an uptight, controlling society intent upon ensuring that she think as they think - that she enjoy ONLY what they enjoy (which is very little, and never includes sex as a natural and enjoyable act). I also agree that a mother or other adult female will be more loved and cherished by a man who feels free to be open about his desires, rather than being condemned for them and forced to hide them from a disapproving female.
And as to pregnancy between a father and daughter…as others have pointed out…the chance of defect is slim…and when manifested…seemingly minimalized. If a daughter chooses to carry her father’s child (and I’ve talked to a daughter who - at 14 - wanted this, although her father denied her), I can’t believe that a society who cares about nothing more than controlling her ought to have a say in such a decision…provided there are no signs that a daughter is otherwise being abused or neglected (bruises, malnourishment, etc).
I suspect I will one day be with a man who has a voracious sexual appetite and I plan to ask him to be open with me about his desires. I don’t know that a man will desire to have young girls…but if he does, I will not judge him. I’ll be supportive.
~L.
intersting. i suppose there is nothing inherantly wrong with incest. to each his own
I think that incest is ok as long as both parties are ok with it.I agreee with the one that said a lot of what we think is natural is actually something we were taught.I think that it is completely plausible that a mother can desire his son or that a father can desire his daughter and she can want him,and also between sibilngs(to name the closest relatives..)
I myself had an expierence about that with my foster father,and some people would call it incest even if we are not related by blood,but what I am not very convinced of is that a mother or a father wouldn’t feel jealous of the relationship the father/daughter or mother/son are having,I know it because of my foster mother,she hates me and desaproves of everything.
hi to evey 1.
i think incest between two adults sholud be legalised as it is the most perfect sex.
incest ok I think it’s wierd and all but hey I am not the one to judge.
wait untill the girl/buy is of leagal age and then if they want to have sex with there parents go for it.
I meen for a girl to have sex with her father should in a way be the most secure feeling shes ever had. she knows her father and we all know “normal” sex is a good feeling maybe it might be better if you had the comfort you can have with your father. I am just trying to twist my mind in this direction I don’t say it’s right but I don’t say it’s wrong. this world is fucked up anyway :p
“All you sick fucks that tell love stories about incest should be killed. If I can find out who you are, your dead
Posted by j2t2 on May 5th, 2005 at 12:14 am”
Big boast for an anonymous post.
Hey, that rhymes!
Anyway, why don’t you give me your address and I’ll come to you. Lets see if your stick is as big as your wick, p-rick.
Seriously, it’s just as sick to threaten mur-der when you know you can’t be identified. I bet you stroke off thinking about your brave threats.
Whatever the reason, everybody is entitled to their own opinion, even about incest.
There are many other outdated anachronistic laws out there too. Like the war on drugs. How can you win a war on drugs when they’ve been around since a homonid first ate a rotting fruit, and are likely to be around when all our great great descendants lie in decay?
And what about prostitution? Been around even longer.
Point is, if you don’t agree with the subject, don’t threaten folks who do, just turn the page.
Else yer worst threats will come back to haunt you…
i find nothing wrong as long there legal age and it should be private.
Regarding “love stories about incest”, visit:
http://www.asstr.org/files/Collections/Kristen’s_Collection/www/inc/index.htm
Wow, there are some pretty sick fucks on this website. I personally think that first cousins should be the closest relation anyone who is gonna be in a relation should be. Some of you said that the genetic defects are minimal, but that is not true. They were probably talking about cousins who have children; because defect rate for cousins is between 4 and 7%, while a non related couple’s is between 3 and 4%. And any closer relation then first cousins has a much higher rate of genetic research. And I’d like to say that is completely unhealthy for most family relationships to have mother-son, father-daughter, brother-sister, Aunt-nephew, uncle-niece or any combo of the above because it usually ruins family life and creates a much higher rate of defects. I also think their should be an age restriction on what teens, pre-teens and children should have relationships with who; like one cant be more than two years older than the other so there can be no power inequities, like father-daughter, in which the daughter might be too afraid to say no if the dad asks for sex. Well, that was my rant, so flame me or so I rock or whatever[preferably the second one;)].
hahahaha all thsi shit cracks me up so bad
well i do have sexual fantasys about my kusin shes 23 and a asain goddess.
damn i want to make out with her more then i want to have sex with her, acutaly i dont have a seuxal fantasy of intercorse, but its more of a touching and kissing fantasy.
TO ALL THE PEOPLE SAYING UNDERAGE INCEST IS OK:
You forget one thing. Consent. A girl (or boy) who has not reached the level of maturity necessary to make a massive life-changing decision (ie, losing virginity) is not able to properly consent, because they can not fully understand what they are consenting to, and the implications of that consent (whether the sex is with an adult male or adult female or both)
Would a bank loan money to a young child who definitely has the means to pay it back? No. Why? Because the CHILD is not mature enough to make such a decision - the most likely outcome is that money will not be paid back. This type of thinking applies to other decisions - such as sexual acts.
Whether the child “agrees” or not is irrelevant, because they do not fully understand what they are agreeing to. Just like a child can’t “agree” to kill someone, because they do not fully understand. Why do children pick up knives? Because they do not fully understand that they are dangerous. Children do not fully understand what is involved in a sexual act (at the time of the act, or later) and even if they “consent” (which of course is NOT valid consent), they may become confused about it later in life, wondering whether it was OK or actually not OK
It is an abuse of power. A person in a position of power (such as a parent) should never put someone they have power over in a position where that person may end up feeling abused later.
http://www.safehaven-uk.org/aftermath/myths.shtml#9
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Incidentally, the language I have seen used on here by people supporting adult-child sexual relations is very similar to language I have seen used by people who have eventually confessed to me that they not only want to have sex with their kids, they would be happy to rape them as well.
English common law for hundreds of years (until 1753) held that “there were three age groups of individuals with differing legal capacities to marry. Under seven years of age, a child was entirely incapable of contracting marriage. If either party to the marriage was under seven, the marriage was completely void. From age seven until the “age of discretion,” which was fourteen years old for boys and twelve years old for girls, individuals could enter into lawful but “imperfect” marriages. The marriages were valid but could be voided at will, apparently by either party to the marriage, until both had reached the age of discretion. Marriages after the age of discretion were valid.”
Dan Savage’s December 5th, 2002 statement of the rules of consensual sex with younger persons: “An older person can, in good conscience, sleep with a younger person provided the older person obeys the Four Big Nos of Sleeping with a Young, Inexperienced Person: 1. Tell no lies. 2. Transmit no diseases. 3. Make no babies. 4. Break no hearts. … While I’ll admit that the fourth No is tricky - despite the older person’s best efforts, the younger one can still wind up with a broken heart - if the older person observes the first three Nos, then the older person can’t be condemned if the fourth doesn’t work out.” Provided that the Dan Savage rules are followed, such consensual sex will not be harmful. And without harm, there is no basis for illegality.
As long as both parties agree with it, whos buisness is it besides the people involved?
Well Incest as said is no more than two people having sex. But aside all the misunderstandings about what it is, there is a missing point about what will the kids be like !
Well anyone who has ever bred animals knows, its all about incest. Prize winning cats often are from inbred stock etc. But there are few problems, yes somtimes things go wrong but this go wrong in so called normal breeding.
If a child is borne with a defect, are the parents related ? no… its just genetic gamblin.
Theres the same figers for ‘normal’ birth defects as so called ‘interbreeds’. Just look around you, how many morons to the square foot when you walk thro town ? are all their parents related ? of course not.
How it all works is a new science, lots of misconceptions are based on 50 -100 yr old studies. And also a mixup with Incest, and sexual crime. Look up the words first and understand them. Dont go around waveing the wrong flag, you will just get ignored.
Now you ask your selfs, has she commited an act of Incest? well so far 40% of population has one way or another, doctors and nurses, a quick peek etc etc… Full sex est is at 10% of reported cases of consenting incest, how many unreported?.
Lots to think about, but as a rule, you can say gay sex is ok and consenting incest is not?. Only a few 100 yrs ago you could be killed for both, only a few yrs ago you could be put in prison for both.
Comon guys! There people out there who have sex with horses and cows ! At least incest is between humans!
Jan
If you had J-lo or Lucy Lui or meagan good as your daughter you people who disagree with incest are telling me that you wouldn’t fuck the shit out of them if they let you?
The taboo against incest has been and is virtually universal in human societies. One notable exception being the Egyptian pharaohs who did not wish to sully their royal blood with that of outsiders.
The taboo does have adaptive evolutionary significance as the offspring of brother-sister or more pathologically, father-daughter has a greater probability of inheriting a pair of recessive genes. For the most part recessive genes have negative biological effects.
Insects also make choices based on genes. Females e.g crickets are anxious to avoid sex with close relatives and have an inbuilt security/filter sytem to keep incestuous sperm at bay.
It’s a bit like teaching a child what can be eaten and what cannot be eaten to secure survival.
Incest is not in the good fruits book and does not improve the gene pool.
Besides, think of a child born from an incestuous relationship, and when the classmates find out… They can be so cruel.
Go interatial and have fun!
This is honestly great! I love this website and all it holds dear. For the longest time I’ve felt like a freak or a pervert for wanting to find a man who would happily introduce my young daughters to his cock. This is not coming from a whore or morally corrupt woman, I live a very conservative life however as for sexual maturity I just feel that little girls should be introduced to sex by thier fathers or by close male friends of the family.
Case in point.. I had a situation come close to sex with my 12 year old a few months back, when my boyfriend and his sons were over hanging out. My girl was playing with the boys in the living room and I noticed that she had done something wrong.. I forget what it was but I know it was frustrating so. lol I’d been drinking.. So as a punishment I wanted to humiliate her.. maker feel bad in front of the boys..
I had her raise her T-shirt up over her head and pull her panties down to her knees… we all laughed at her. Then I had her take off the panties and go back to playing.. lol knowing I’d probably aroused my bf’s boys..hell lol probably him too. They went back to playing and I know they had roman fingers..lol.
Saddly they didn’t do anything to serious with her. Oh well…
but honestly and SERIOUSLY… I support incest. Its a beautiful thing that I hope some man will come into my life and share my love for…take care..
I hate the word “abused”. My father touched me sexually. The earliest I remember is at the age of 4. I liked it. It felt good. So what is the problem?
By the way those who find all this talk of incest intollerable should look at the comment of Nick in the thread about the news story of the mother who stripped for her son. He started off being really verbally abusive and called everybody sick ***** but eventually started saying he was interested in fucking his mother too.
Is anybody else here interested in brother-sister relationships?
My older sister and I are living together. Our parents have gone now and we spent a few years apart. I also had everything but full penetration sex with my younger sister.
Anyway, we have almost completely seperate social lives and for most people when we are together we say we are married but for close relatives I just say she is staying with me.
We intend living together like a married couple.
We are not having full sex yet but she lets me masturbate in the same room with her (thinking about her) she is quiet and sometimes she sometimes pretends to be asleep. I also hear her masturbating later when i have finished. She is quite shy but I am sure we will end up sleeping together. She is very pretty and lets my fondle her breasts.
I just wondered if there were any other couples like us or if anybody else is sexually interested in their brother or sister since I dont’ see many comments from people interested in this.
incest between siblings is cool i love my sisters i have sex everynight with my 3 sisters its sick and lovely!!!!!!!!!!11
Hi All
I am really interested in all the comments here. I had a sexual relationship with my Sister when we were in our teens, but no longer. However, I live with my wife like Brother and Sister and we like it that way. She refers to my parents as Mum and Dad. This is a fantasy version of incest but its legal.
I run a Support Forum for Consanguineous couples (Brother/Sister, Mother/Son/, Father/Daughter) so please visit if you are interested and would like to post with others about the subject. Visit my website link below.
i was just searching for a movie that it’s plot was about a father who raped his 3 daughters (based on a true story)and i ended up in this site because it was one of the first results.After reading all these comments that most of them said that incest is a good thing to do i must say i was socked.Children who become sexualy involved with their parents have a twisted life, from these emails it is noticed that they think its right because their parents have brain washed them.Parents who probably are mentally sick, or have serious phsycological problems because they were abused by their own parents.NATURE condemns incest, that’s why kids from such relationships have the down syndrom or other serious helth problems.It took a long time for kings and emperors to understand why their precious heirs where ‘’stupid”, to realise that if one marries his sister/mother/brother/father/grandpa/cousin the child born would not be able to make their kingdom even bigger,would not be able to get out of the bedroom because of its deformed appearence, would not even understand a hello.as for other emails who say that the child should be introdused to sex from a very early age by its parents…well why do kids who are not are perfectly ok with their sex life, and the kids who are end up with a shrink that is obliged to sent them to a place for mentally ill people?
a father who cant be pleased by his daughter if she buys him flowers for his birthday and wants a lot more is not a daddy but a monster.
Hi all
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i am 50 and i am sleeping with my 76 year old mother it is the best sex i ever had we do it all i jugg fuck my mother i pump her hot honey hole full of my cum and last but not least i am having anal sex with my mother
sexual relations were meant ONLY to be between a man and a woman legally married. ANYTHING outside of that is wrong. Once you’ve stepped over THAT God given line; where do you stop? It’s no longer God’s law but man’s law; so ANYTHING goes.
Sorry. I beg to differ, M/Ms.Dude ! Incest taboos are clearly man-made and God hardly has any role in them. Still now, every human society practises incest in one form or the other on one hand, while on the other priding itself on being a sexually impeccable one. Muslims marry their cousins on the father’s side. Hindus marry those on the mother’s side. Worse still, it continues to be very common for thousands of Telugu-speaking girls in South India to marry their maternal uncles. Similarly some tribes in the Meghalaya State of India permit the son-in-law to marry his mother-in-law in case she was widowed.
There is nothing wrong in legalizing incest. Incestuous relations before one turn 18 result in mental truma not because there is really some thing inherently wrong with the relation, but because it comes into direct conflict with the social and religious brainwashing everybody is subjected to. Once you cast off the taboo tag, you’ll start seeing healthy and long-term incestuous relations.
Well, I have some doubts over the health condition of the kids born out of such bonds. People should better abstain from having kids before resorting to an incestuous marriage in order to avoid the social costs of having genetically defective children, at least until the science of genetic engineering progresses to the extent of accuraetely detecting and effectively reversing congenital complications in embryos.
Incest was ok in the Bible. That’s where Cain and Able got their wives from, i.e. their sisters. Their kids either married each other or their cousins.
Contrary to the image of perfection, very often those with the most repressive religious culture practice incest the most. It’s not just in the mountains of Appilacia, the Islands of the Outter banks or in remotely populated counties. It’s found even in southern town with many conservative churches.
Thus, why not legalize what people are doing anyway and we will have fewer religious hypocrites.
Jim
To all of you out there, there is no basis in the myth that children born of incest will have any kind of disorder. Those of you who believe that there is a certain age when kids can make their own decisions and consent for things on their own are wrong. Kids are able to tell right from wrong generaly from the time they are born. Kids come into this world with a knowledge that us adults will suppress as soon as we can.
“since if you legalize incest the most likely practitioners of it are not adult brothers and sisters but rather adult fathers with underage daughters.”
What a crock. In the absence of incest laws (which are not applicable in many pedophilia cases), the legal protection of children remains intact, in the form of age of consent laws.
Besides, incest laws don’t need to be repealed, simply amended to exclude “between consenting adults”.
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