Comments on: Harry Potter Slash

By: Concerned one

Concerned one — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 07:44:46 +0000

I have not read most of the above posts but I shall say one thing:

The message of a piece of art is not the most important thing. I enjoy Assyrian reliefs that glorify war – is that such a bad thing? Fanfiction is mainly a social activity of sharing ideas with others, not about one’s own individual pleasures. It is about contribution to the community and participation within it, not the consumption of something for hedonism. Fanfiction writers and readers like the pairings for the relationship, not any meaningless lust. So, in the end, I say, “how DARE YOU call it perverted porn?”

See http://somnambuling.livejournal.com/12640.html#cutid1

By: dorothea

dorothea — Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:17:54 +0000

This is a really old article and there obviously haven’t been any comments in quite a while, but still for some reason I feel copmpelled to leave a comment. I read slash fiction. Yes, the NC-17,adult,R,”dirty” kind. That’s about the only kind of fanfic that I actually read. There’s no deep freudian subconscious reason as to why I read it (Freud was a misogynist poser anyway). It just turns me on. A lot. So there.
I’m 18 and bisexual and I have been reading slash for 4-5 years now. I like looking at, reading about, fantasizing about two, or more, guys together. And, that’s not a kink, any more than it’s a kink for guys to enjoy watching girls doing it. It’s normal. But our patriarchal, hypocritical society stigmatizes physical contact between males. We’re taught that male to male sex is the grossest thing imaginable. Now, while I can see that everyone has their own sexual preferences and can’t be into everything. But I can’t see why anyone would find m-m sexual contact repulsive, even if they’re not into it. What’s so different and terrible about it? Also, when guys go eww at the sight of a male body, they’re not really grossed out (how could they masturbate, or even look in the mirror if they found their own physique so sickening???). It’s about reasserting their straightness, their macho-maleness. It’s about being full of shit. I have yet to see a straight woman disgusted by the female body. Honestly, being bi, I actually can’t quite understand how anyone could find either sex unattractive. But that has nothing to do with seeing through the machistic workings of this world, that’s just plain logic.
Women are being told what to find arousing. Straight women are expected to find f-f more arousing than m-m. Where’s the logic in that?
If a woman admits that she digs m-m, she’s labeled a sick pervert and her sexuality has to be questioned and analyzed. Even worse, she becomes an outcast. Been there, done that. So no woman will admit it(except on the Net, maybe). Women who dig it very, very much will claim to be sickened at the very mention of m-m. It gets so absurd that some female friends of mine said they didn’t want to go see Brokeback mountain cause it would make them queasy!!! Worse, they probably believed it, given the taboo and the lack of their exposure to m-m. It’s really hard for me to grasp the concept of straight or bi women not turned on by any aspect of male to male contact, let alone disgusted by it.
That said, all slash is not about porn. I don’t divide fanfics into slash and het, but into romance and “porn”. Slash and het romance fanfics are much more similar to each other than to slash or het “porn”.Romance is romance. Sex is sex. If I wrote fanfics, I’d never rate them for being slash. My only criteria would be the porniness of the fics, anything else is just homophobia. There’s nothing abnormal, disgusting or shocking, in being attracted to the same sex.
Rape, incest, bestiality, pedophilia etc. don’t turn me on. Just the opposite, I’m freaked out by them.
(What exactly qualifies as a rape-fic. One where it’s a plot element, or one where it’s supposed to be porn? There’s a world of difference.)
I find incest, rape, bestiality and pedophilia sick, so I steer well away from such fics. There are always warnings. Consensual BDSM is up to anyone’s choice. Personally, I’m not into any kind of dominance or submissiveness, but BDSM can’t be listed together with rape, incest and pedophilia. If BDSM is someone’s cup of tea, good for them.
Also, none of these are any more typical of slash than het.
Parents could get filters for their kids, bu what would be the point of that. That’s just smothering sexuality. Sexuality’s healthy. Your kids are gonna find “dirty” stuff no matter what you do. Or they’ll fantasize about it. Filters are just counter-effective.
So, everyone who wants to read fanfics, should read what they like. There are far worse things out there that nobody complains about.

I’m off to read some NC-17 slash…

By: Linda

Linda — Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:34:51 +0000

GOOD LORD! You people! I am a slash writer and reader and although I write on the tame side of slash fanfic a lot of people would still abuse me if they could. I am not here to argue about who writes what or what it is okay to write! Like with the prochoice/prolife debate I am not about to stand up and tell the 3 billion women on the planet that it is not okay for them to terminate a baby even though I could not have such a thing done myself.
I would meerly like to point out this. I have never written a harry potter fic and dont intend to any time soon. I do however write pacifer fics with Seth/Shane pairings. For anyone who doesn’t know Seth is fourten and Shane quite a bit older. So far I have not written anything graphic but I may… If these were actual people it would be illegal… but real people under 16 have sex all the time. The world has yet to collapse in.
Quite seriously though if you don’t like something don’t read it! I not a big fan of most het but I don’t slander it and flame it. No I just kick it to one side.
If you don’t like slash go on your merry way… no problems… But what really pisses me off is when self rightous pricks post crap like this. No I’m not going off about the ban underage stories or anything like that. That is a ralid stand point. But no you just focus on slash stories. Lolita is a widely published movie that potrays a fourteen year old girl having sex with a man over 30… I certain hope you think the director, cast and such should be locked up for making that too… along with other movies that portray underage, rape or otherwise ofensive materials. Because the only thing these are missing are Gay relationships. So when you post such a peice of trash without mentioning all the het fics out there that have characters of the opposite sex committing general not niceneses then it becomes not so much a valid complain as just another cheap shot at gay people.
BIGKISS

By: CM

CM — Sun, 25 Jun 2006 06:40:54 +0000

all the comments combined are about 20 billion times longer than the article itself… And the article was written… *looks back* three years ago? And there’s still people commenting on it? Wow.
Wow.
I didn’t even read the article, I didn’t have to; it was more fun to look through and see all the silly comments. I didn’t see many people bashing slash, or maybe I just missed, dunno. Don’t know… I would’ve posted countering the article, but I think that my two cents have already been said…. mutiple times.

By: Asia

Asia — Sat, 20 May 2006 20:23:31 +0000

All i have to say is that I am Christian, and I love slash. I will have to give it up eventually, but for now, I can’t. If ANYONE tries to call me a hypocrite, I will give you the curse out of a lifetime. I don’t agree with slashing the bible, because I believe that’s the ultimate disrespect. Well, anyways, I also write slash, but I haven’t written Harry Potter yet. Probably will in the near future. I just don’t honestly see what the big deal is. If you’re okay with homosexuality in real life, why are people adamant about banning fanfics with slash? I could rant for an hour about this subject, but sadly I don’t have the time, patience, nor control to do so. All I have to say is that not all slash people who love/write slash are perverted, just like people who are homosexual, or don’t mind homosexuality aren’t perverted. Oh yeah, and Cammy-Peanut Butter Oreo Cookie Girl? God says threesomes and homosexuality is wrong, but he doesn’t hate anyone who does these things. I personally hate threesomes, but not people that commit it. You said ‘who says u can’t love more than one person?’ Regular people. Technically, a threesome would be loving more than one person. Wouldn’t that be CHEATING? A woman gets mad because her boyfriend cheated on her with another woman. Isn’t that loving more than one person? I respect the fact that you can love more than one person. But the wrong part is trying to be with 2 or more people. That’s where the choice comes in. You’re in love with 2 people. Okay. Pick one. But sleeping with both of them and coinciding and loving both of them is just wrong. There’s a line that has to be drawn with people’s moral standards. I’m not yelling at you, calling you a pervert, or anything, am I? I am saying that people have different beliefs, and moral standards, and we all need to respect those people, no matter how religious you are. I know a lot of Christians who feel the way I do, and we all think that Christians that are homophobic miss the plain and simple fact that just because you don’t believe in something doesn’t mean u persecute others that partake in it. You shouldn’t hate the person, only the thing they do. I am anything but homophobic. That’s all I have to say. Anyone want to email me about the subject, my email is above.

By: Kathryn

Kathryn — Sat, 04 Feb 2006 05:37:49 +0000

Everyone seems to be running around in circles here, arguing about homophobia and freedom of speech and all sorts of things.

My $0.h02:
It’s peoples’ right to read and write what they wish, and others should not ridicule their personal freedoms, even if they do not agree.

Also, just a sidenote: I bet JK Rowling is a slasher at heart.

Ta.

By: AketA

AketA — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:05:05 +0000

Honestly, where did all the tolerance go? Homosexuality used to be accepted in quite a few areas of the world! Like always, America ****s up everything (I’m American if anyone needs to know. Lived my whole life in NJ). I’ve been contemplating a a slash related essay for a while and now I suppoese I have no choice for myself but to write it soon. In fact, last year, I did a pursuasive speech in my English class on slash. My teacher was slightly homophobic and I was the second person to do a homosexual related topic. I talked about sex, the 85 pairings written on the back of my shirt, my originl list of 111 off the top of my head, how anti-slashers can’t just mind their own business and try to spread the hate, that sort of thing. I usually think people don’t deserve my mindless banter, but her I think this person does deserve it. And slashing the bible? Dude, only people who go to church will do that…. I happen to have gone to church, been baptized, made communion and made confirmation. And I think Jesus will forgive us and tell us we were wrong. Man, slashing the bible? I’ve done it on or twice and they don’t qualify cause it was passing thoughts!

By: constantcraving

constantcraving — Wed, 07 Dec 2005 22:48:05 +0000

“Let he among us without sin be the first to condemn”

Well?

By: Voyertech

Voyertech — Mon, 05 Dec 2005 20:36:15 +0000

I believe that Harry Potter might be the grandson of that magnificent US Army officer, Col Sherman Potter of the 4077th MASH. Probably inherited some of the same homosexual tendencies too. Ever notice that the good Colonel is at his best with Radar O’reilly, Hawkeye, BJ(?),and the rest of the boys….gives one pause to wonder doesn’t it.

By: joe

joe — Sat, 03 Dec 2005 21:42:31 +0000

harry potter cant be rated NC17. Evendough I want it to